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CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

Remius said:
I disagree but I accept that you are at least being consistant.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Sort of agree. But to be honest with the US pulling out of certain things Canada will likely as well as without the US those initiatives won’t have any effect.

Depends on what.

Agreed.

Disagree. Yes on increasing CAF capabilities but this current situations shows that the US can and will try and bully us. I would use American hardware for continental defense. Stay intergrated on those and start looking to Europe or else where for other capabilities.

Partly agree. I’d do it differently.

Agreed.

Agreed. Have to be careful with drastic.

Agree but we already have taken steps in ten right direction on both.

No one is doing a tit for tat though. So far this is very targeted and needs to be coordinated with other nations.

Trudeau is essentially gone. Someone else will be at helm.
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Reference Net Zero

I am all for burning carbon. I am also comfortable with metering it and accounting for it. I believe in capturing the carbon and putting it to use. Not just burying it in the ground. We are running short of good silicon based construction materials. Time to shift to carbon along with the rest of the organic world. What I wouldn't give for a house that lasts as long as a plastic bottle.
 
Lumber said:
"how to combat the unilateral and unwarranted economic attack by a neighbor".
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What is your objective by said “combat”?

All those things you dismiss are viable methods to increase Canadian economic resilience and productivity however they are hard strategically oriented long term measures that aren’t immediately emotionally gratifying. Further they are all things that are in Canada’s control and best interest irrespective of how the next months and years play out.
 
Popcorn at the ready ready for when the markets open tomorrow...


Wall Street girds for market impact of Trump tariffs​


NEW YORK, Feb 2 (Reuters) - Global markets buckled up for a turbulent session on Monday after U.S. President Donald Trump launched a trade war with sweeping tariffs on Canada, Mexico and China that threaten to undermine economic growth and reignite inflation.

U.S. stock futures slumped in early Asian hours, with Nasdaq futures down 2.35% and S&P 500 futures 1.8% lower.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced plans for retaliatory tariffs on imports of goods from the United States, the first of which also would take effect on Tuesday. Claudia Sheinbaum, Mexico's president, said on social media platform X that she will spell out details of its response on Monday.

 
brihard said:
Just back from the grocery store- already starting to see “made in Canada” shelf labels cropping up. For the first time for me I was specifically attentive to country of origin when buying normal groceries.
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My wife usually orders online from our local grocer (Loblaws) prior to pick-up. Today, prior to ordering, she checked into where every item is made. She switched from Florida orange juice to Brazilian. However she had to settle for lettuce from the U.S. Most of the other fruit/vegetables we were able to get from Mexico and Latin America instead of the U.S. and just about everything she needed comes from Canada. Our neighbours are also going out of their way to buy Canadian.
 
Lumber said:
Just about nothing on this list is something that can be done rapidly. Even if JT used the EA to force through approval and funding for an energy east pipeline and multiple lng terminals, we'd be well into the next presidential term before they got built. Further, a lot of these idea have nothing at all to do with "how to combat the unilateral and unwarranted economic attack by a neighbor".

So, once again, what is it you think Canada should be doing in the immediate term in response?
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Railways -

Already in place.

Useful for transporting lumber, uranium, coal, oil and Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) across Canada to tide water. Dry solids easily transported by sea. Oil is a known quantity. Compressed Natural Gas would require a build out of port facilities to convert it to LNG for shipping.

And Energy East is a heck of a long way round for a short cut. Shortest routes to tide water are via Vancouver/Roberts Bank, Prince Rupert/Kitimat, Churchill/Port Nelson and Moosonee. All served by rail until pipelines can be built.

CNG is a legitimate solution. If we were planning on building a hydrogen economy CNG is considerably easier to manage.

www.woodwayenergy.com

How Is Natural Gas Transported? - Woodway Energy

Understanding how natural gas is transported: From pipelines to LNG carriers, learn the safe transit methods used today.
www.woodwayenergy.com www.woodwayenergy.com

Natural gas can be transported as CNG in specialized pressurized tank rail cars. Rail provides more delivery options and flexibility than pipelines do, but is better suited for small gas volumes. Also, loading and unloading CNG railcars is time-consuming.

Safety and cost-effectiveness are also concerns with transporting CNG by truck or rail. Road and rail are also weather-dependent. For these reasons, these modes of transportation tend to serve shorter-haul transportation, rather than long distances covered more efficiently via transmission pipelines or LNG tankers.

Despite these challenges, road and rail transport of CNG do provide a valuable solution for delivering natural gas to areas not serviced by pipelines or waterways. This mode of transportation complements other forms of natural gas transportation, ensuring a more diversified and resilient supply chain, capable of meeting the diverse energy needs across diverse regions.
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Thinks can happen very fast if there is the political will to do it.
 
daftandbarmy said:
Popcorn at the ready ready for when the markets open tomorrow...


Wall Street girds for market impact of Trump tariffs​


NEW YORK, Feb 2 (Reuters) - Global markets buckled up for a turbulent session on Monday after U.S. President Donald Trump launched a trade war with sweeping tariffs on Canada, Mexico and China that threaten to undermine economic growth and reignite inflation.

U.S. stock futures slumped in early Asian hours, with Nasdaq futures down 2.35% and S&P 500 futures 1.8% lower.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced plans for retaliatory tariffs on imports of goods from the United States, the first of which also would take effect on Tuesday. Claudia Sheinbaum, Mexico's president, said on social media platform X that she will spell out details of its response on Monday.

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Yep.

 
QV said:
“Can’t” is not a good look, but I get it’s the CAF motto as of late. The best time to start was 15 years ago. The second best time is now.
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You mentioned in another thread though when many of those same things were brought up that it was “too late”.
 
Kirkhill said:
Railways -

Already in place.

Useful for transporting lumber, uranium, coal, oil and Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) across Canada to tide water. Dry solids easily transported by sea. Oil is a known quantity. Compressed Natural Gas would require a build out of port facilities to convert it to LNG for shipping.

And Energy East is a heck of a long way round for a short cut. Shortest routes to tide water are via Vancouver/Roberts Bank, Prince Rupert/Kitimat, Churchill/Port Nelson and Moosonee. All served by rail until pipelines can be built.

CNG is a legitimate solution. If we were planning on building a hydrogen economy CNG is considerably easier to manage.

www.woodwayenergy.com

How Is Natural Gas Transported? - Woodway Energy

Understanding how natural gas is transported: From pipelines to LNG carriers, learn the safe transit methods used today.
www.woodwayenergy.com www.woodwayenergy.com



Thinks can happen very fast if there is the political will to do it.
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Cutting back on rail was a mistake. We still have the ability to fix that and invest more in rail at likely a minimal cost.
 
Kirkhill said:
The best solution would be to make Windsor a more attractive location for manufacturing vehicles than Detroit. And I use the term vehicles with care. Don't compete for cars and trucks. Compete for heavy vehicles and specialty vehicles. For example.

Draw market share away from the US by exporting Oil and Gas and driving the international price down.

Make Canada a more attractive place for investment in our resources. We have the same land area with more resources and only 10% of the people with their hands out wanting their "mail".

Trump has to support 400 million people. Trudeau and Poilievre only have to support 40 million. We only need 10% of the tax revenue to support the same level of payments to individuals.
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Just random thought rolling around in my head. Maybe right, maybe wrong.
I remember all the trucks that have been designed and built in Canada for the military. Every one a disaster. Even our military vehicles produced by GDLS, are an overrun of vehicles designed and sold in higher quantities for other countries.

We also did a lot of the tooling and equipment for the Alberta O&G sector because they didn't have the expertise. But then our tool makers moved out there.

As soon as PP can get in the seat, we should invite those that want our oil and gas to come here and help build their shipping and processing facilities. Use our labour, resources and infrastructure. Give them all a good port and tell them the sooner they build their shipment facility, the sooner they get their gas and oil. China need not apply.

Maybe use the not withstanding clause to put the pipelines where we need them? It shouldn't be acceptable for a single province to put the brakes on a national energy initiative.
 
Remius said:
Cutting back on rail was a mistake. We still have the ability to fix that and invest more in rail at likely a minimal cost.
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Further to that and the potential for moving natural gas by rail and sea in the near term...

eastwardenergy.com

Compressed Natural Gas | Eastward Energy

Eastward Energy delivers natural gas to large energy users that are currently outside of our pipeline distribution network by transporting compressed natural gas (CNG). It is a great solution for organizations that have high energy use and wish to reduce their energy costs, remain competitive...
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CNG is made by compressing natural gas to a pressure of 200-248 bar (2,900-3,600 psi) in cylindrical pressure tubes. When the CNG reaches its destination, it is depressurized to pipeline operating pressures so that it can be consumed for manufacturing or space and water heat. Each trailer of 14 tubes contains approximately 315 Gigajoules of energy.
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Perhaps those tubes could be mounted into ISO frames to replicate something like this:

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Expedient effort.
 
Apparently Trump has said he will speak with Trudeau on Monday.

Will it be:

1) threats to escalate
2) try to agree to something
3) more trolling
4) not actually speak with him
 
Do we not have a refinery capable of processing WCS?
Perhaps we could process it all ourselves and sell the finished products to market? Alberta loses nothing and the US loses a money maker.
 
Fishbone Jones said:
Do we not have a refinery capable of processing WCS?
Perhaps we could process it all ourselves and sell the finished products to market? Alberta loses nothing and the US loses a money maker.
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Wiki has a decent article on WCS including a (short) list of refineries that process it. Looks like we have one in Regina and one in Sarnia.

Western Canadian Select - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org
 
JLB50 said:
However she had to settle for lettuce from the U.S.
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Lettuce is just water with a thin, tasteless plant membrane around it. It's easy to take out of the menu.

Remius said:
Apparently Trump has said he will speak with Trudeau on Monday.

Will it be:

1) threats to escalate
2) try to agree to something
3) more trolling
4) not actually speak with him
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FTFY

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