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CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

What is your objective by said “combat”?

All those things you dismiss are viable methods to increase Canadian economic resilience and productivity however they are hard strategically oriented long term measures that aren’t immediately emotionally gratifying. Further they are all things that are in Canada’s control and best interest irrespective of how the next months and years play out.
I never disagreed that these weren't good things that Canada should be doing (for most of QV's list). None of these could have been announced yesterday as an immediate response to counter/soften the blow of the impact of Trump's tarrifs.
 
It's telling the only ones seemingly bothered by this are the regular shit throwing chicken littles in the democrat party.
Well, and maybe one or two Republicans

From the article:

Congress was not given the legally required 30-day notices about the removals — something that even a top Republican is decrying. “There may be good reason the IGs were fired. We need to know that if so,” Sen. Chuck Grassley, chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said in a statement. “I’d like further explanation from President Trump. Regardless, the 30 day detailed notice of removal that the law demands was not provided to Congress,” said Grassley, R-Iowa.

Then again, some don't seemed to be bothered by a little Executive law breaking:

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., acknowledged that the firings violated statutes but shrugged it off: “Just tell them you need to follow the law next time,” he said.
I'm sure he'd take the same view if a Democrat president did the same thing.
 
Wab Kinew recently stated that Manitoba is a maritime province. Time to build a pipeline from Fort McMurray to Churchill.

Now that TMX is in, there's less pressure on getting 'Berta bitumen to tidewater though...

Trans Mountain expansion has delivered so far on some profitable promises, report suggests​

Narrower oil price spread increased revenues by estimated $7B US last year​


A recently released report compiled by a local economist suggests the oil sector is already seeing some of the promised benefits from the contentious Trans Mountain Pipeline expansion just six months after its completion.

Calgary-based Charles St-Arnaud, chief economist with Alberta Central, says expanding the pipeline has reduced the price differential between the Canadian price of oil — known as Western Canada Select (WCS) — and the U.S. benchmark price, West Texas Intermediate (WTI).

According to his report, that gap narrowed by about $8 US per barrel at the tail end of 2024. He says this is much lower than previous years, and that narrowing the spread is a good sign for Alberta's economy.

 
Now that TMX is in, there's less pressure on getting 'Berta bitumen to tidewater though...

Trans Mountain expansion has delivered so far on some profitable promises, report suggests​

Narrower oil price spread increased revenues by estimated $7B US last year​


A recently released report compiled by a local economist suggests the oil sector is already seeing some of the promised benefits from the contentious Trans Mountain Pipeline expansion just six months after its completion.

Calgary-based Charles St-Arnaud, chief economist with Alberta Central, says expanding the pipeline has reduced the price differential between the Canadian price of oil — known as Western Canada Select (WCS) — and the U.S. benchmark price, West Texas Intermediate (WTI).

According to his report, that gap narrowed by about $8 US per barrel at the tail end of 2024. He says this is much lower than previous years, and that narrowing the spread is a good sign for Alberta's economy.

Getting TMX done was a good move. It was neat seeing so much of it under construction when we did a cross country road trip through the mountains in 2023.
 
Just about nothing on this list is something that can be done rapidly. Even if JT used the EA to force through approval and funding for an energy east pipeline and multiple lng terminals, we'd be well into the next presidential term before they got built. Further, a lot of these idea have nothing at all to do with "how to combat the unilateral and unwarranted economic attack by a neighbor".

So, once again, what is it you think Canada should be doing in the immediate term in response?
I think you're being generous. Even if we didn't have environmental reviews and a requirement for FN consultation, I doubt any significant energy infrastructure could be done in this decade let alone this presidential term.
 
Speak with? Or speak at? Trudeau is no match for Trump. It will probably be a very one sided conversation.

And we're not going to be the only ones in the gunsights...

Trump to speak with Trudeau, Mexico after imposing tariffs​


Trump also suggested he could impose tariffs on the European Union (EU), and potentially the United Kingdom, after he has threatened to do so if they don’t purchase large quantities of American oil and gas to make up for its growing deficit with the U.S.

“The UK is way out of line, and we’ll see. The UK, but European Union is really out of line. UK is out of line but I’m sure that one, I think that one can be worked out. But the European Union, it’s an atrocity what they’ve done,” he said on Sunday night.

The EU purchases the lion’s share of American oil and gas and no additional volumes are available unless the U.S. increases output or volumes are re-routed through Asia, Reuters reported, citing U.S. data.

 
Wab Kinew recently stated that Manitoba is a maritime province. Time to build a pipeline from Fort McMurray to Churchill.
He did???

Funny I live in Winnipeg and there is no Atlantic ocean here.

He did announce all US liquor will be off the LC shelves on Tuesday.
 
Feel free to go through my posts and find where I said I agree with his use of tariffs.

I am on the fence, in the middle, not overly concerned of the tariffs on either side being the end game. I can think beyond the here and now and extreme rhetoric from both sides. I can see the tariff issue as a means to drive both sides into a negotiated settlement. Rather than hang around and not be able to see beyond the tariff starting blocks. Which trudeau just did. Retaliating in the here and now instead of looking a few steps further down the process.

I think both sides are wrong in the use of tariffs, but I think, maybe, Trump is using this as a cudgel. He knows the broken promises, hedging and dishonest discussions of dealing with trudeau and his jellyfish. This might well have been designed to make people act. However, they respond. It's shit or get off the pot time and break a few eggs. Not time to make appeasing pseudo agreements still outstanding 4 years from now.

Call it stupid, call it fanciful or whatever else you want. We need someone that can get in to see him and speak on his level, like Kevin O'Leary, who has the skills and is already in on the favourful edge of Trumps circle. We need to have someone sit across the table and say "what's your bottom line and how do we make it a win, win for us both. Trump needs to see we are serious about our commitments, including NATO. We need to put our money where our mouth is and move on from the petty games.

So, as you can see, I've never been for the tariffs on either side, I'm for finding out the end game and negotiating, in good faith for a change, a way to get there advantagous to both of us.
Sounds like we need some savy business person. Someone who ran a large corporation, maybe even the CDN side of a large US corporation and thins like them, has experience in how they do business.
Sounds like we need another Mulroney….maybe even a Paul Martin Jr…..sadly we have no one like this currently.
 
Sounds like we need some savy business person. Someone who ran a large corporation, maybe even the CDN side of a large US corporation and thins like them, has experience in how they do business.
Sounds like we need another Mulroney….maybe even a Paul Martin Jr…..sadly we have no one like this currently.
We do but they'd have to identify as something acceptable to the DEI community which would not be acceptable to DJT. ;)

I do agree with you though - plus we need some fiscal sanity at all levels of government -city, province and federal.
 
Ah, so you're throwing shade and continuing to dodge the question.
I already said Canada should not tariff, and get to that list forthwith.

Yes I’m throwing shade. I’m tired of this country squandering all our potential and future with bullshit. I’m tired of the do more with less in the CAF. And I’m really tired of all the bullshit excuses. Change the law, change the rules. It’s a matter of national importance.
 
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