CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Kirkhill]

I love how liquor brings everyone together…

The origin of Lethbridge, Alberta - Fort Whoop-Up.

One type of alcohol sold by the whisky traders in and around Whoop-Up bandits was known as Whoop-Up Bug Juice, a highly prized alcohol spiked with ginger, molasses, and red pepper. It was then coloured with black chewing tobacco, watered down, and boiled to make "firewater".

Fireball is a Canajun staple.

 

[QV]

A lot of people here have been speaking out against Trudeau for years now, myself included. And to think I helped vote him into office in the first place. I’m definitely not a fan of Trudeau. And I’m not a fan of Poilievre either. Nor of Biden in the U.S. Trump? The guy is dangerous…to his country…to ours…and to the world. Simply because he has an overwhelming mandate given to him by the U.S. electorate doesn’t make him a great leader. Only an immensely powerful one.

I think Canada would prosper like never before if it worked with Trump. I think your fears are largely sensationalized.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Insult Fireball again and it's on.....

That one was just for you Big Fella....

 

[Baz]

I’m heavily leaning towards it doesn’t matter what we do; the most obvious reason is because Trump said it.

It seems quite convenient that the primary effect of this will be a shift towards a consumption tax for the US population. Consumption taxes favour the wealthy.

I still don’t understand why everyone is playing “Obama broke it, Trump will fix it; Trump broke it, Biden will fix it; Biden broke it, Trump will fix it..” (substitute Harper, Trudeau, Pollievre; or whoever) why money and power continue to be channeled to a very few. A very few that have now blatantly been given access to the center of the world’s most important economy.

And there using the same old playbook… your problems aren’t because of us, it’s because of them (meaning foreigners,immigrants, minorities, etc). When Trumps plan fails to fix what he says it will, who will he blame. Obviously, Canada, for having the audacity to not do as they were told.

He all you peons, look at the shiny things; nothing to see over here…

 

[MilEME09]

I think Canada would prosper like never before if it worked with Trump. I think your fears are largely sensationalized.

Prosperity under an isolationist president who wants America first, and all businesses to only make things in America. You must be joking

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Prosperity under an isolationist president who wants America first, and all businesses to only make things in America. You must be joking

What is wrong with a leader that wants those things for his country? We should have a leader that wants those same things also.
You make it sound like we are entitled to interfere with those goals.

 

[Haggis]

I guess we could park a Leopard at each port of entry. They wouldn't have to roll far once they got off the flatbed.

There are 117 land ports of entry. How many Leo's do we have again?

 

[PuckChaser]

As much as we have DS derailing threads, please get back on topic folks. You can fight out the US election in the existing Trump Admin thread.

- Milnet.ca Staff

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

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[MilEME09]

What is wrong with a leader that wants those things for his country? We should have a leader that wants those same things also.
You make it sound like we are entitled to interfere with those goals.

The two ideas are not compatible, you can't have an isolationist United States and a prosperous Canada in the same breath. It's not rooted in reality, as we see right now playing out, trumps isolationist policies hurt us, not help us.

You can't have your cake and eat it to

 

[brihard]

Just back from the grocery store- already starting to see “made in Canada” shelf labels cropping up. For the first time for me I was specifically attentive to country of origin when buying normal groceries.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Trump uses mass firing to remove independent inspectors general at a series of agencies

The sweeping action removes oversight of his new administration. Some members of Congress are suggesting it violated federal oversight laws.

apnews.com

That doesn't mean they won't be in place where they are needed. Nor does it mean no more audits.

'Trump confirmed the move in a conversation with reporters aboard Air Force One on Saturday, claiming, “it’s a very common thing to do.” He said he would “put good people in there that will be very good.”

He's not cancelling the positions. He's replacing people he has no confidence in with those he does. Nothing wrong there and standard business practice.

17? Nobody knows beyond a faceless, anonymous person who isn't even sure themselves. Even Chuck Schumer guessed at 12.

My opinion is if you have an IG working inside a possibly corrupt organization and they aren't reporting those irregularities, you replace them.

It's telling the only ones seemingly bothered by this are the regular shit throwing chicken littles in the democrat party.

So the statement "Not to mention Trump is firing every inspector general. So no more independent audits of spending." is a completely false statement. A product of wishful thinking and skewed opinion. As proven by your own article.

As an aside, Michael Horowitz, Justice Dept IG has been doing his job and is being retained.

"Replacing independent inspectors general with political hacks will harm every American who relies on social security, veterans benefits, and a fair hearing at IRS on refunds and audits,” Connolly (D-Virginia) said.

Which is exactly what the Biden WH did.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The two ideas are not compatible, you can't have an isolationist United States and a prosperous Canada in the same breath. It's not rooted in reality, as we see right now playing out, trumps isolationist policies hurt us, not help us.

You can't have your cake and eat it to

You most certainly can, but that's for another forum.

 

[Baz]

Which is exactly what the Biden WH did.

As I said, but maybe ineloquately... nobody except Trump and his supporters cares what the Biden White House did anymore.

The question is, of the ones being replaced, and the ones doing the replacing, which are corrupt? My feeling is that there are corrupt elements in both. However, I have zero confidence that Trump:

• is draining the swamp
• cares about the average US citizen
• isn't taking care of Trump, first and foremost.

 

[Lumber]

I think PP is wrong. I think he is saying these things because he reads the emotive response of “hurah! Go Canada! We’re punching back!” Foisted by the media and lapped up by the sheep. He’s trying to avoid being called a traitor by the media/LPC machine by taking any other measured position (D. Smith) that could jeopardize his electoral chances.

The right approach in my view would be do nothing on tariffs. But immediately do the following:
- rapidly accelerate energy development, thats O&G, coal, nuclear, and LNG, not windmills
-rapidly accelerate a means to move that product in every direction, Quebec be damned
-rapidly reduce inter provincial trade barriers
-immediately halt foreign aid that serves no real national interest, plenty to trim here
-drop expensive vote buying social programs, this would need detailed analysis but includes the over correction of DEI
-rapid overhaul of government procurement for fast acquisitions
-rapid build out of CAF capabilities, and recruiting, use mainly American hardware.
-drop the net zero cult goal and everything that goes with it, even NASA says we’re good
-create business environment for investment, Canada has lost billions under Trudeau.
-take drastic measures to root out foreign adversarial influence focusing on the CCP first.
-serious on border and immigration


We won’t win a tit for tat tariff war against an economy 12x our size that imports a small percentage of its overall from us. In fact, I think that’s how you get to the 51st state much faster.

There is no way Trudeau will do many of those things - it would mean he’s been wrong for 10 years. Hence tariff war for the plebes.

Just about nothing on this list is something that can be done rapidly. Even if JT used the EA to force through approval and funding for an energy east pipeline and multiple lng terminals, we'd be well into the next presidential term before they got built. Further, a lot of these idea have nothing at all to do with "how to combat the unilateral and unwarranted economic attack by a neighbor".

So, once again, what is it you think Canada should be doing in the immediate term in response?

 

[brihard]

Here’s a simplified ‘news story’ version list of the products impacted by our counter-tariffs.

Canada’s retaliatory tariffs: Here’s the list of targeted items - National | Globalnews.ca

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has announced billions of dollars in new tariffs on U.S. imports to Canada. The affected goods include foods, appliances. jewelry and some clothing.

globalnews.ca

Sadly, grenades are on there.

 

[QV]

Prosperity under an isolationist president who wants America first, and all businesses to only make things in America. You must be joking

Everyone wins when the US is doing well. How quickly you forget how your pensions and stocks were doing under 45.
Trump’s rhetoric on America first does not make an isolationist position.

 

[QV]

Just about nothing on this list is something that can be done rapidly. Even if JT used the EA to force through approval and funding for an energy east pipeline and multiple lng terminals, we'd be well into the next presidential term before they got built. Further, a lot of these idea have nothing at all to do with "how to combat the unilateral and unwarranted economic attack by a neighbor".

So, once again, what is it you think Canada should be doing in the immediate term in response?

“Can’t” is not a good look, but I get it’s the CAF motto as of late. The best time to start was 15 years ago. The second best time is now.

 

[Haggis]

Here’s a simplified ‘news story’ version list of the products impacted by our counter-tariffs.

Canada’s retaliatory tariffs: Here’s the list of targeted items - National | Globalnews.ca

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has announced billions of dollars in new tariffs on U.S. imports to Canada. The affected goods include foods, appliances. jewelry and some clothing.

globalnews.ca

Sadly, grenades are on there.

Firearms, too. After all his bans, nobody was buying them anyways.

 

[Kirkhill]

GDP - PPP - Per Capita - USD - 2023

USA - 81,695.19

Norway - 87,961.78 (Oil and Gas and Hydro Power)

Netherlands - 62,536.73 (No natural resources to speak of - Agriculture and Technology)
Sweden - 56,305.25 (A mountain of Iron and Technology)
Finland - 53,755.91 (No natural resources to speak of - Technology)

Canada - 53,371.70 (All the riches in the world)

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Game plan - defeat the US by achieving the Norwegian level of productivity.

87,961.78 - 53,371.70 = 34,590.08 = 65% increase in productivity and national income.

34,590.08 / WCS at 60 USD per barrel = 576 more barrels of WCS per Canadian per year or 1.6 barrels per day (65 million barrels per day)
Current Canadian production is 4 million barrels per day = .1 barrels per Canadian per day
Norwegian production is about 2 million barrels per day but there are only 5 million Norwegians
Current Norwegian production = .4 barrels per Norwegian per day

Canadian Natural Gas (AECO C) sells at 1.3 USD per MMBTU (~1 GJ)
In the Netherlands the TTF is about 15.3 USD per MMBTU (~1 GJ)

34,590.08 / WCS at 15 USD per GJ = 2306 more GJ of natural gas per Canadian per year or 6 GJ per day (240 million GJ per day)
Current Canadian production is 22 million GJ per day = .5 GJ per Canadian per day
Norwegian production is about 15 million GJ per day but there are only 5 million Norwegians
Current Norwegian production = 3 GJ per Norwegian per day

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We could look at Hydro power but it appears that we are running short of that (climate change will do that to you).

Quebec faces big electricity shortfall after wooing U.S. to buy cheap hydro power

Quebec convinced U.S. states to buy its abundant green energy, only to realize it won't be able to produce enough hydro electricity. Read on.

financialpost.com

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On the other hand we have lots of coal which sells at about 200 USD per tonne

34,590.08 / Coal at 200 USD per tonne = 173 more tonnes of coal per Canadian per year or 0.5 tonnes per day (20 million tonnes per year )
Current Canadian production is 47 million tonnes per year = 129,000 tonnes per day = 0.003 tonnes per day
Australian production is about 422 million tonnes per year = 1,156,000 tonnes per day but there are only 27 million Aussies
Current Australian production is 0.042 tonnes per Aussie per day


And we have uranium at about 69 USD per lb.

34,590.08 / Uranium at 69 USD per lb = 500 more lbs of uranium per year or 1.4 lbs per day (55,000,000 lbs per year or 25,000 tonnes per year)
Current Canadian production is 7351 tonnes (2022) to 11,373 tonnes (2023) per year = 20 to 30 tonnes per day.

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Double our uranium out put from 1.5 to 3 lbs of uranium per day
Raise our coal out put to Australian levels from 3 kg to 42 kg per day
Raise our oil production to Norwegian levels from 0.1 barrel to 0.4 barrel per day
Raise our gas production to Norwegian levels from 0.5 GJ to 3 GJ per day.
Export directly from Canadian ports.

I reckon that would make a dent in our GDP.