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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #425 on: February 09, 2018, 19:00:12 »
Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but what's the difference between a military Bell 412 and a civilian Bell 412?

From the August 2015 news release about the first eight Bell 412 EPs Canada sold to the Philippines:

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The Bell 412EP can also be configured for a wide range of missions such as law enforcement, special operations, homeland security, VIP transportation, oil and gas, and emergency medical service.

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The fuselage is fitted with rollover bulkhead protection for the occupants. The crashworthy, energy-absorbing crew seats ensure pilot safety and comfort. The transmission system uses chip detector and debris collection to provide early failure detection.

The Bell 412EP’s safety features also include rupture-resistant fuel cells, wire strike protection system, dual digital flight control, and dual redundant electrical, hydraulic and fuel systems.

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #426 on: February 09, 2018, 22:00:18 »
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I do enjoy the commentary from Jordan Peterson when he talks about the delusions of young leftist political activists, which he's very familiar with. . . .

Speaking of Jordan Peterson here is a good article about him from the Daily Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5374295/DOMINIC-SANDBROOK-Pilloried-speaking-sense.html

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #427 on: February 09, 2018, 22:04:03 »
Sigh... let the riots begin:

Gerald Stanley found not guilty in death of Colten Boushie
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/gerald-stanley-colten-boushie-verdict-1.4526313

"  ...Outside the courthouse, Baptiste said to reporters the justice system has to change to serve First Nations people. "

really? Is the justice system now supposed to change to meet First Nations needs by depriving other races of their right to a fair trial. I hope not.

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #428 on: February 09, 2018, 22:05:23 »
Speaking of Jordan Peterson here is a good article about him from the Daily Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5374295/DOMINIC-SANDBROOK-Pilloried-speaking-sense.html

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #429 on: February 09, 2018, 22:08:40 »
Sigh... let the riots begin:

Gerald Stanley found not guilty in death of Colten Boushie
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/gerald-stanley-colten-boushie-verdict-1.4526313

"  ...Outside the courthouse, Baptiste said to reporters the justice system has to change to serve First Nations people. "

really? Is the justice system now supposed to change to meet First Nations needs by depriving other races of their right to a fair trial. I hope not.
there was zero reason for 4 kids to be on someone else's property.

No need go address the justice system for that. Just don't do dumb things.
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #430 on: February 09, 2018, 22:11:51 »
and that too...

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #431 on: February 09, 2018, 22:39:37 »
there was zero reason for 4 kids to be on someone else's property.

No need go address the justice system for that. Just don't do dumb things.

Five kids actually.

Here's a short summary of the evidence:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/what-happened-stanley-farm-boushie-shot-witnesses-colten-gerald-1.4520214

One can imagine why the jury may have had a reasonable doubt. I find the accidental discharge theory plausible when you consider that Boushie had a loaded 22 "rifle" between his legs at the time he was shot. If Stanley had shot deliberately then he could have argued self defence in that circumstance.

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #432 on: February 09, 2018, 22:44:11 »
there was zero reason for 4 kids to be on someone else's property.

No need go address the justice system for that. Just don't do dumb things.

Yup. They were driving around stealing crap. The helpless teenagers  bit didn't hold up in court.

That said I'm very surprised by the verdict.



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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #433 on: February 09, 2018, 23:27:20 »
Link to Saskatoon Star Phoenix re Stanley trial including the evidence that prior to driving to Stanley's farm they attempted to steal a truck at another farm:

http://thestarphoenix.com/news/local-news/gerald-stanley-trial-jury-delivers-not-guilty-verdict-in-murder-of-colten-boushie

There is a short video that shows a number of the trail photos.

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #434 on: February 10, 2018, 00:19:44 »
From the August 2015 news release about the first eight Bell 412 EPs Canada sold to the Philippines:

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Whatever goes into a helicopter can be removed from a helicopter. There is no difference in the machine itself. Machines sold and delivered for SAR or VIP use can easily be reconfigured for any other use - and a new paint job, if necessary, is a simple thing to do.

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #435 on: February 10, 2018, 02:38:28 »
I highlighted a name in the last paragraph that I included. I see that as another indicator of the likelihood of continuing Liberal inaction.

http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/terence-corcoran-the-ugly-pipeline-war-is-no-accident-it-was-the-plan

Terence Corcoran: The ugly pipeline war is no accident. It was the plan

The Canadian pipeline crisis is developing along the usual constitutional divide and within the tired context of party politics punditry. Will Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government use its federal powers to overrule the unconstitutional moves by B.C.’s NDP government? Will B.C.’s attempt to block the $7.4-billion expansion of the Trans Mountain oilsands pipeline to the West Coast lead to a trade war with Alberta’s NDP?

And what will the Liberals’ new plans, announced Thursday, to gut the National Energy Board’s power and responsibilities, and new environmental rules released this week to protect the lives of fish against human encroachment by pipeline do to the state of the federation?

Wake up, Canada. This is not another political game show about the powers and rights of different levels of government. Nor is it about ritual inter-party rivalries among Liberals, New Democrats and Conservatives. The Trans Mountain constitutional meltdown is the product of an aggressive radical campaign by green extremists to rip up the Canadian economy.

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #436 on: February 10, 2018, 07:23:49 »
No other country would ring fence hundreds of billions of dollars worth of potential tax revenue.
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #437 on: February 10, 2018, 09:24:13 »
Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but what's the difference between a military Bell 412 and a civilian Bell 412?

MIL-STD-1553 avionics buses, multiband ARC-210s, etc...  That stuff doesn't get 'removed'.

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #438 on: February 10, 2018, 09:42:12 »
Necessary for Philippine use?

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #439 on: February 10, 2018, 12:21:16 »
Link to Saskatoon Star Phoenix re Stanley trial including the evidence that prior to driving to Stanley's farm they attempted to steal a truck at another farm:

http://thestarphoenix.com/news/local-news/gerald-stanley-trial-jury-delivers-not-guilty-verdict-in-murder-of-colten-boushie

There is a short video that shows a number of the trail photos.

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Do you think the other members of the vehicle will be charged with trespassing, theft/attempted theft, drinking and driving, illegal possession of a firearm (which was probably stolen), having a loaded weapon in a vehicle or anything like that?  Seems they got a free pass.
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #440 on: February 10, 2018, 12:30:51 »
I highlighted a name in the last paragraph that I included. I see that as another indicator of the likelihood of continuing Liberal inaction.

http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/terence-corcoran-the-ugly-pipeline-war-is-no-accident-it-was-the-plan

Terence Corcoran: The ugly pipeline war is no accident. It was the plan

The Canadian pipeline crisis is developing along the usual constitutional divide and within the tired context of party politics punditry. Will Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government use its federal powers to overrule the unconstitutional moves by B.C.’s NDP government? Will B.C.’s attempt to block the $7.4-billion expansion of the Trans Mountain oilsands pipeline to the West Coast lead to a trade war with Alberta’s NDP?

And what will the Liberals’ new plans, announced Thursday, to gut the National Energy Board’s power and responsibilities, and new environmental rules released this week to protect the lives of fish against human encroachment by pipeline do to the state of the federation?

Wake up, Canada. This is not another political game show about the powers and rights of different levels of government. Nor is it about ritual inter-party rivalries among Liberals, New Democrats and Conservatives. The Trans Mountain constitutional meltdown is the product of an aggressive radical campaign by green extremists to rip up the Canadian economy.

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Among the Canadian green groups cited by Marx as eager recipients of funding were Environmental Defence Canada, World Wildlife Fund Canada, ForestEthics Canada, Greenpeace and others. At the time, in 2008, the head of World Wildlife Fund Canada was Gerald Butts, currently Prime Minister Trudeau’s principle secretary and top adviser. Other green activists sit on panels and outside cabinet rooms, providing bad advice and misguidance to politicians and business leaders.
if the liberals do use their nuclear option and shut down any attempt by BC to block kinder Morgan,  I wonder if the people writing these articles will give them any praise.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bc-alberta-pipeline-trans-mountain-expansion-1.4529422

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As B.C. looks for a way to fight back, Carr said he and his colleagues working on the issue stand ready to shut the dispute down.

If B.C. makes good on its threat to restrict the bitumen shipments, Ottawa will act "immediately," Carr said.


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Carissima Mathen, a law professor at the University of Ottawa, said that the federal government has always held the constitutional right to the final word on pipelines.

"No province is able to intervene in that process and they can't use their own law-making authority to try and create other obstacles or barriers to do that," she said
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #441 on: February 10, 2018, 14:31:19 »
Do you think the other members of the vehicle will be charged with trespassing, theft/attempted theft, drinking and driving, illegal possession of a firearm (which was probably stolen), having a loaded weapon in a vehicle or anything like that?  Seems they got a free pass.

Free pass? I think they've clearly been victimized enough.
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #442 on: February 10, 2018, 14:32:39 »
The feds obviously have the final word- how else would Trudeau's father have imposed the NEP.
What is almost certainly going to happen is the Supreme Court will, in the end, be the final decision maker. It seems apparent that even if all governments were aligned on this, the environmental lobby and other special groups are not aligned and so they will have their day in court.(after they finish wreaking enough political destruction on everything else.)  Trudeau et al already know this.

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #443 on: February 10, 2018, 14:43:03 »
Free pass? I think they've clearly been victimized enough.

They haven't been charged with anything.

Not trying to come across as snarky but do you mean the trauma of having a victim fight back and turn the tables on them? 
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #444 on: February 10, 2018, 14:57:12 »
They haven't been charged with anything.

Not trying to come across as snarky but do you mean the trauma of having a victim fight back and turn the tables on them?
Probably meant seeing their friend die in front of them.
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #445 on: February 10, 2018, 15:10:28 »
According to the CBC news article, the victim had in his hands a .22 long rifle, with the stock cut off, 5 rounds in the mag and one in the chamber, the safety was off and of course no trigger lock.  Now, the place is full of coyotes and other things like that, but that does not seem a likely explanation for having that firearm at that time.
These kids were looking for trouble and they were going find it one way or another. Imagine if Stanley had simply called the police, and then an RCMP officer pulling that car over in the middle of nowhere and to his/her detriment, not seeing that rifle until it is too late.
Frankly, if Boushie had lived he should have been the one charged.

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #446 on: February 10, 2018, 15:19:24 »
I was being 100% sarcastic. My apologies for not using a [/sarcasm] tag to be clearer, but the thought and post were a bit of a knee-jerk reaction that I have been trying to hold back for the last 24 hours.

I am quite angry with the reaction to this whole thing, to the point that I have been trying to make myself take a pause to collect myself because my comments are very very unsympathetic to the family and friends of the person who was killed... and at the end of the day it's too bad someone had to die, but people have completely lost their ability to think straight at all. The person who died and the people who were with him have no one to blame but themselves for their own personal choices which led to a situation that did not work out in their favour.

The perpetrators, followed then by the legislative and executive branch of the government are the ones who victimized the actual victim, and it's the justice branch and our justice system that actually stood between an innocent man (who did not ask for these drunken misfits to come onto his property to trash and steal his stuff) and a cage. And I am very very sick of our justice system being defamed by a bunch of people who need to go back to grade school to learn some personal responsibility. Our justice branch is not perfect but it's probably the only part of government left I hold in any esteem and to see people trying to trample it because they want to use majority opinion against innocent people is putting me quite on edge.

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #447 on: February 10, 2018, 15:43:44 »
I was being 100% sarcastic. My apologies for not using a [/sarcasm] tag to be clearer, but the thought and post were a bit of a knee-jerk reaction that I have been trying to hold back for the last 24 hours.

I am quite angry with the reaction to this whole thing, to the point that I have been trying to make myself take a pause to collect myself because my comments are very very unsympathetic to the family and friends of the person who was killed... and at the end of the day it's too bad someone had to die, but people have completely lost their ability to think straight at all. The person who died and the people who were with him have no one to blame but themselves for their own personal choices which led to a situation that did not work out in their favour.

Ahh, sorry for not being more astute. I've seen some pretty wacky commentary on this. 

I actually thought he Stanly was guilty because I recall reading some stuff about the guy being shot in the back of the head when they were driving away. Seemed pretty clear cut to me.  Hearing the details (and seeing enough browning NDs) I can see why the jury chose not guilty (though still pretty surprised).

Sask farmers seem to be routinely victimized without very much support or relief (this from friends in Sask and reading).
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #448 on: February 10, 2018, 15:44:07 »
I will admit, l haven't read any of the stories on CBC about this trial until now.  The only weapon l see mentioned at the link is the one Mr. Stanley had.  I don't believe those who are upset by the verdict are going to take any notice of what the young men were doing that night or what they had with them.

The story linked below is about all the rallies springing up across Canada.  Like the Cornwallis statue or the MMIW, they want blood and won't be satisfied until they get what they want as a verdict.  As far as l can determine it's another white man's injustice on First Nations people, in their eyes.

Truth, reasonable clarity and acceptance of whatever the real facts are will be lost to the people on both sides whom feel justice wasn't served.

PM Trudeau's comments seem to be one sided (to me) and are only going to pour gas on the fire.  I wish he could keep his gate closed at times like this.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/saskatoon/boushie-rallies-saskatoon-regina-stanley-not-guilty-verdic-1.4529956

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #449 on: February 10, 2018, 16:11:18 »
I’ll admit to also not knowing all the facts.  But I did I hear some stuff on the radio about it being an all white jury and the risk that the crown took in going after first degree murder charge rather than a criminal negligence approach.

I’m sure this evening factors are playing into this.
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