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Coleman Lantern
« on: January 30, 2018, 08:17:54 »
 good morning
 i've been collecting Coleman lanterns for many years 
 I know Coleman lanterns and stoves  where used and still used in our Canadian Armed Forces

  I need help to identify this old Coleman lantern

Its a  Canadian model 236 dated 1949

I was told this could be from the Canadian military

The fount has 4B marked on it
 ,does this look familiar?
 fourth Battalion ?fourth brigade?

 I would also like to know what models our Armed Forces have been using over the years.
 I believe the 236 621D 290 were used.

  Thanks for your help

Agostino

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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2018, 08:57:45 »
A two digit call sign is too generic to tell much about who used it.  4B would most likely be the vehicle call sign for which the lantern was part of the stores. The 4th company/platoon/squad/ B=second sub-unit.  The lanterns would have been procured in bulk over the years by the CF Supply Depots and distributed throughout the areas - so any green, propane Coleman lantern could have been used at one time.
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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2018, 08:05:36 »
Thank you 😊

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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2018, 08:15:50 »
A two digit call sign is too generic to tell much about who used it.  4B would most likely be the vehicle call sign for which the lantern was part of the stores. The 4th company/platoon/squad/ B=second sub-unit.  The lanterns would have been procured in bulk over the years by the CF Supply Depots and distributed throughout the areas - so any green, propane Coleman lantern could have been used at one time.
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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2018, 13:06:03 »
Thank you for the info👍

 most of these lanterns were in pieces and I slowly reassembled some of the parts ,some parts were added  to complete them and get them running again
 most of these tanks were punctured (probably on purpose ?) 
here are more
tanks with different numbers and letters
 I would appreciate any information 😊👍thank you
Agostino


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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2018, 13:12:02 »
1951 trough 1964 Coleman 236 models

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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2018, 13:17:53 »
1951-1964 models 236 Coleman Canada lanterns

 Coleman USA  specifically made the model 252 for the US military.

 I was told  from a good friend that served in the Canadian military ( God bless him he passed away last year after retiring and serving for 25 years )
that they used and still use regular civilian store bought lanterns and stoves.
the founts were identified individually with stencil only?


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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2019, 20:56:55 »
Another lantern  I just added to my collection this one also has 4B on the carrying case.
I would appreciate more info on the 4B

Thank you
« Last Edit: October 15, 2019, 21:01:47 by adelcoro »

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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2019, 20:59:46 »
1976 Coleman lantern

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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2019, 21:00:51 »
It could denote 4 platoon 2 (Bravo) Section
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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2019, 21:02:30 »
Interesting, thank you

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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2019, 21:19:26 »
1951-1964 models 236 Coleman Canada lanterns

 Coleman USA  specifically made the model 252 for the US military.

 I was told  from a good friend that served in the Canadian military ( God bless him he passed away last year after retiring and serving for 25 years )
that they used and still use regular civilian store bought lanterns and stoves.
the founts were identified individually with stencil only?
Canadian military used to buy purpose built military versions of Coleman products. Minor differences and came in military packaging.
 
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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2019, 08:52:19 »
It could denote 4 platoon 2 (Bravo) Section

That would be x4B where x would represent the Company designator. (eg 14B would be A Coy, 4 Pl, 2 Sect)

Another lantern  I just added to my collection this one also has 4B on the carrying case.
I would appreciate more info on the 4B

Thank you

It would denote the Ops O for the fourth manoeuver Coy/Sqn at the Unit level or the fourth manoeuver unit at a Formation level.
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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2019, 11:12:57 »
Canadian military used to buy purpose built military versions of Coleman products. Minor differences and came in military packaging.

All the stuff we got at our unit was stock civilian stuff for lanterns and stoves.

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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2019, 12:46:31 »
All the stuff we got at our unit was stock civilian stuff for lanterns and stoves.
civi stoves don’t have the “pin” I’ve on multiple occasions gotten new kit in plain Jane white boxes with green NSN and labels stating property of DND
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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2019, 21:13:16 »
 I agree the Canadian military only used civilian models
 except maybe for the early 530 stoves and some early 1940s 500s stoves
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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2019, 21:49:42 »
I agree the Canadian military only used civilian models
 except maybe for the early 530 stoves and some early 1940s 500s stoves
30 plus years in uniform and like I said I have had new stoves and lanterns from Coleman in my supply in plain jane white boxes with green writing stating NSN, and saying STOVE COLEMAN TWO BURNER NAPTHA CONTRACT NUMBER 1234567 DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL DEFENCE.
Take that as you will.
 
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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2019, 13:52:21 »
Not uncommon for them to get a run of boxes in plain packaging as it saves them money if the order is big enough. Back in the 70-80's I never saw a new stove or lantern come in anything but the commercial box. perhaps they ordered enough at one time to justify new packaging. You would have to compare the military one with the retail one side by side to see any actual differences.

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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2019, 21:51:39 »
Not uncommon for them to get a run of boxes in plain packaging as it saves them money if the order is big enough. Back in the 70-80's I never saw a new stove or lantern come in anything but the commercial box. perhaps they ordered enough at one time to justify new packaging. You would have to compare the military one with the retail one side by side to see any actual differences.
Never seen any differences in lanterns but the stove pin is distinct to the military.
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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2019, 10:15:39 »
The stove pin is installed by gun plumbers, on all versions of the stove.
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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2019, 10:35:09 »
The stove pin is installed by gun plumbers, on all versions of the stove.
No sorry I have had stoves come direct from Coleman in a box with the pin.
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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2019, 20:49:45 »
Interesting information.
I used to command a 577 call sign 4B; Recce Sqn, RCD.
We had two 577's, 4A and 4B.
And we stencilled our call sign on almost everything we were issued, most vehicle crews did the same.
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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2019, 00:29:18 »
No sorry I have had stoves come direct from Coleman in a box with the pin.

You could both be right. The military might have decided on the pin and retrofitted them to existing and new stoves. When another larger contract was placed, the pin may have been added in as a requirement.

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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2019, 07:05:36 »
You could both be right. The military might have decided on the pin and retrofitted them to existing and new stoves. When another larger contract was placed, the pin may have been added in as a requirement.
This is plausible
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Re: Coleman Lantern
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2019, 19:56:11 »
I was working in a CQMS in the early 90s and in the mid-2000s, and the new stoves were sent from supply to the Weapons Techs. They would install the pin, then return the stoves to supply for distribution.
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