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The next question now: Will the CFAV's switch theirs too, so they now fly the Canadian Blue Ensign ?

Just had an RCN power point from the Buffer. The answer is no, the CFAVs will fly the new Ensign as well.
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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2013, 19:48:20 »
Just had an RCN power point from the Buffer. Here is the cut and past from it:

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Who will be authorized to fly the
Canadian Naval Ensign?

•   All 33 c ommissioned warships of the RCN
•   HMCS Oriole
•   All eight Orca-class Patrol Craft Training (PCT) vessels
•   All Diving Tenders and TSRVs;
•   All 24 NavalReserve Divisions; and
•   All small boats whenever working away from the ship whether in domestic or international waters
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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2013, 20:10:47 »
3 x Destroyers
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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2013, 23:11:04 »
So do the Reserves fly them at their stone frigates or from their RHIBs?

If at the building, is there a fore and aft? Or do they just put everything on poles in the front? I know ours here has a quarterdeck but that's all I'm aware of regarding ship stations.
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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2013, 23:37:32 »
So do the Reserves fly them at their stone frigates or from their RHIBs?

If at the building, is there a fore and aft? Or do they just put everything on poles in the front? I know ours here has a quarterdeck but that's all I'm aware of regarding ship stations.

HMCS Tecumseh has a mast (?) outside and also one inside on the parade deck where they fly all of the flags, ensigns, and colours.

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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2013, 06:05:57 »
HMCS Tecumseh has a mast (?) outside and also one inside on the parade deck where they fly all of the flags, ensigns, and colours.

I'm sure a bunting tosser will be quick to correct me if I'm wrong, but the mast has several positions available for flying flags.  There's an order of precedence to the positions; if my memory hasn't failed me of doing colours/sunset on the parade square of Stadacona (when there actually was a parade square and not a parking lot), it went something like this:

1.  Gaff (the pole sticking out of the front of the mast, shown in the picture flying the Canadian flag)
2.  Outermost starboard halyard (when viewed from behind the mast; gaff pointing away from you)
3.  Outermost port halyard
4.  Next inboard starboard halyard
5.  Next inboard port halyard
6.  and so on...

Again, if memory hasn't failed me, we flew the Canadian Ensign, Naval Jack, and MARCOM flag, in that order of precedence.  I don't know if the recent order reverses the positions of the Canadian Ensign and Naval Jack, but that's my guess.

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Couldn't they find a ship without a stove in bow, for the picture?  ;D

They had to use an older photo of a CPF; it's unlikely they'd find one in harbour these days, with much of the HALIFAX class either preparing for refit, in the midst of refit, or conducting post refit work and trials.  The ones not yet participating in FELEX haven't stood still long enough to get a picture.

And I know you're joking, but don't knock the anchor stowage position on the CPFs; it might look like someone took a chunk out of the bow, but it put an end to (most of) the lame "anchor pocket door" jokes from the days of the steamers.   ;)


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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2013, 07:23:09 »
recceguy, your question was answered two posts before you posed it - probably a timing thing on posting.
Occam, there have been a bunch of CE guys off and on looking at the pole in front of ABlock (I currently work out of S15-I know; a stoker at CFNOS-raises the occasional eyebrow!). Whether that is to clean it up (it is in really BAD shape) or remove it, I don't know. I am not sure when that stopped actually and moved to in front of S90 only.
All said, the public wont really see the difference-As you point out Occam, the precedence of the Jack and national flag (both under new names) will be reversed.
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They had to use an older photo of a CPF; it's unlikely they'd find one in harbour these days, with much of the HALIFAX class either preparing for refit, in the midst of refit, or conducting post refit work and trials.  The ones not yet participating in FELEX haven't stood still long enough to get a picture.

And I know you're joking, but don't knock the anchor stowage position on the CPFs; it might look like someone took a chunk out of the bow, but it put an end to (most of) the lame "anchor pocket door" jokes from the days of the steamers.   ;)

Another difference between the Navy and the other two services who, provided with a bow like that, would have painted a red mouth with white teeth and a pair of feline type eyes around it by now. Grrrrr.....  :nod:
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Another difference between the Navy and the other two services who, provided with a bow like that, would have painted a red mouth with white teeth and a pair of feline type eyes around it by now. Grrrrr.....  :nod:

Only the RCAF would do that. The Army would paint the whole ship in a 3 tone camo.

Except one regiment which would paint the whole ship white.
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Only the RCAF would do that. The Army would paint the whole ship in a 3 tone camo.

Except one regiment which would paint the whole ship white.


And which regiment would that be?  :stirpot:
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Except one regiment which would paint the whole ship white.

Only the "stone frigates".

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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #37 on: May 05, 2013, 07:13:09 »
And the new white ensign is "worn" (I think that's the right term) for the first time in Canadian waters/on Canadian soil by HMCS Cabot, in St John's, this morning.



I'm assuming that's the proper location ... the gaff?

Looks just fine.
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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #38 on: May 05, 2013, 07:23:58 »
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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #39 on: May 05, 2013, 08:13:36 »
You in town Edward?


St. John's? No ... sadly.

I forgot to "source" the picture  :-[  ... it was posted by COMRCN, presumably it's from the navy's in house PR machine.
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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2013, 08:24:37 »

St. John's? No ... sadly.

I forgot to "source" the picture  :-[  ... it was posted by COMRCN, presumably it's from the navy's in house PR machine.


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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2013, 09:03:20 »
And the new white ensign is "worn" (I think that's the right term) for the first time in Canadian waters/on Canadian soil by HMCS Cabot, in St John's, this morning.

I'm assuming that's the proper location ... the gaff?

Looks just fine.

"Hoisted" I think is the term the bunting tossers use...and the reverse is "hauled down".  The gaff is definitely the highest place of honour on the mast - I'm just not sure if I reversed port/stbd in my description above.  It might be as viewed from the front of the mast, with the gaff towards you.  I'll have to dig out some of my Dad's old Seamanship manuals and take a look.

And it does look good.

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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #42 on: May 05, 2013, 14:30:22 »
http://www.navy.forces.gc.ca/cms/3/3-a_eng.asp?id=936

The PR machine spelled centre incorrectly.

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And... voila:

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/news-nouvelles/news-nouvelles-eng.asp?id=4762

Damn!  Called it right!

Then again, it is a simple thing to do with next to no cost at all to the taxpayers.

Except for when they have to make the big war ensigns ships love to fly when they're at seas; the types that could drape over half the flight deck of a Halifax-class ship.
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Damn!  Called it right!

Then again, it is a simple thing to do with next to no cost at all to the taxpayers.

Except for when they have to make the big war ensigns ships love to fly when they're at seas; the types that could drape over half the flight deck of a Halifax-class ship.


You mean like this?



My (vague) understanding is that warships should fly these monsters when engaging the enemy. Are there other rules, like fly it when sailing in allied flotillas? Is it captain's discretion?

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How is HMCS St. John's able to be at sea without fuel?  I kid I kid.
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How is HMCS St. John's able to be at sea without fuel?  I kid I kid.
Pffft, what a Pongo!  You can clearly see PRESERVER right behind her there.  Lots of fuel to be had.   :nod:

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My (vague) understanding is that warships should fly these monsters when engaging the enemy. Are there other rules, like fly it when sailing in allied flotillas? Is it captain's discretion?

I am not sure of the criteria for flying it. I know when we raced across the Atlantic following the fire on board CHI, we flew the battle ensign as we approached CHI and entered Faslane with her.
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Pffft, what a Pongo! 
Don't make me slap you with your own hand!  If I'm a pongo, you're a ponti.

But my jest was in reference to the recent fuel spill that HMCS St. Johns had in Halifax harbour, just to connect the dots.
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How is HMCS St. John's able to be at sea without fuel?  I kid I kid.

That's a Battle Ensign?  I thought it was a back-up sail in case of fuel loss!   >:D