Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]

[FSTO]

Remember the air force flight jacket that every NWO/MARS would sell their mother for? That would work.

There was an urban myth that a warehouse in Moncton had tri-walls full of Pre 1968 RCN flight jackets (still in the packing plastic) that were destroyed early in the 70's. Sad.

 

[jollyjacktar]

It wouldn't surprise me in the least.  When we were de-storing PRE in 03, they came across a dozen NIB Stanley Hand Planes marked with RCN from 1958.  And believe it or not they ran across some Bonnie parts not too long ago in Halifax.  Some weird shit still out there.

 

[Inspir]

Saw this earlier today.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I am hopeful but not holding my breath the RCAF will authorize ball caps for wear as head dress in operational clothing as well.  It’s what most of us wear when we are away anyways...

 

[FSTO]

Saw this earlier today.

Still too many badges, but on the plus side at least a person can roll up the sleeves.

 

[jollyjacktar]

All those badges....looks ridiculous.  :facepalm:

 

[Eaglelord17]

Chest ranks are a dumb idea for the Navy if it is operational dress, most the time if they are operators you need to be able to look at their shoulders as their front is to the computers.

 

[NavalMoose]

All the badges etc do seem a bit much in my opinion

 

[a_majoor]

Reminds me of a Duffleblog "headline": "Navy goes 6 months without new uniform".

Not clear what advantages this new uniform offers unless it is made of flame resistant NOMEX or something.

 

[jollyjacktar]

The present NCD are FR.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Saw this earlier today.

4 questions

1.  Is it normal for the command badge to be on the left and the 'ships badge' to be on the right?  Curious as we are the opposite.  I wear my Sqn heraldic crest on the right, and my crew badge on the left...our "order of precedence" is right then left.  IMPACT was the ATF-I badge on the right, Det badge on the left.  It looks to me like the RCN badge is on the left in the pic and...I don't know what the one of the right is.

2.  Someone mentioned that it isn't the best idea to have rank on the chest, better on the shoulders.  If so...why the move then? 

3.  What is the normal standard for rolled sleeves;  both them have it done differently in the pic. 

4.  Why didn't they make the specialty badge (or proper RCN name for it) patch big enough for all the possible ones;  like jump wings, etc?  Or does the Navy only allow stuff like Ships Diver on the op dress?

 

[Navy_Pete]

The present NCD are FR.

There is videos of an old set of the previous NCDs (made with NOMEX) being tested for their flame resistance.  They are set up on a dummy with essentially four flame throwers (one on each corner of a square) and run through a number of tests.  they did them with various layers, and with/without the flash hood and gloves (which aren't actually FR).

It's pretty crazy to watch, but they found that if you had on a shirt, the shirt (with sleeves down) and the jacket over top, you could come away with getting smashed for several seconds with four giant jet flames with minimal burns on the covered areas (some first/second degree where the clothing hung and there is normally a lot of direct contact, so you get thermal conduction despite the FR).

There is no way that current uniform would perform as well even if it's the same fabric, as it seems to be missing the jacket all together.  Fun fact, the terrible cut on the clothing that gives tonnes of room for fat buggers is actually really good for preventing burns, as the hugely excessive amounts of fabric that cause the uniforms to hang off you like an ugly date creates a bunch of insulating air pockets.

Does anyone know if this will become the work dress, or will there be coveralls for people to wear then they go down to the spaces?  On a practical sense I can't see the white ensign looking good for long as it will quickly get covered in oil and dirt for anyone that works, or even goes through the spaces and brushes up against things during rounds.

 

[dimsum]

Someone mentioned that it isn't the best idea to have rank on the chest, better on the shoulders.  If so...why the move then? 

The top is a flame resistant navy blue version of the new CADPAT.

 

[Stoker]

4 questions

1.  Is it normal for the command badge to be on the left and the 'ships badge' to be on the right?  Curious as we are the opposite.  I wear my Sqn heraldic crest on the right, and my crew badge on the left...our "order of precedence" is right then left.  IMPACT was the ATF-I badge on the right, Det badge on the left.  It looks to me like the RCN badge is on the left in the pic and...I don't know what the one of the right is.

2.  Someone mentioned that it isn't the best idea to have rank on the chest, better on the shoulders.  If so...why the move then? 

3.  What is the normal standard for rolled sleeves;  both them have it done differently in the pic. 

4.  Why didn't they make the specialty badge (or proper RCN name for it) patch big enough for all the possible ones;  like jump wings, etc?  Or does the Navy only allow stuff like Ships Diver on the op dress?

1. The ships badge is actually worn on the left and worn under the ensign. They wear the command badge because they don't have a ships badge . The patch worn on the right in the picture is a mission patch.

2. I see no problem with the rank badge where it is, lots of navies do it that way and seems to work.

3. The rolls on the sleeves are a little bit off, but which one is correct and who is going to square them off?

4. Thats a good question, have no idea but if I were to guess making badges the same size will cost more money and better to use whats in stock.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

The top is a flame resistant navy blue version of the new CADPAT.

Copy...is it very/somewhat important to have rank on the shoulders on a ship?  makes it easier to tell who is who if you're looking from the bridge *wings* down (not sure the correct name for that part of the ship) onto the deck etc?  Or in the Ops Room if everyone is in flash gear?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

The patch worn on the right in the picture is a mission patch.

Our's would be the opposite...the "senior" badge would be on the right, mission/crew/theatre badge on the left.  For me, it looks like they are wearing them on the 'wrong' side.

4. Thats a good question, have no idea but if I were to guess making badges the same size will cost more money and better to use whats in stock.

I guess I meant the velrco patch on the uniform should be big enough to wear the bigger ones, like Clearance diver, PID, jump wings, aircrew etc.

 

[Stoker]

Our's would be the opposite...the "senior" badge would be on the right, mission/crew/theatre badge on the left.  For me, it looks like they are wearing them on the 'wrong' side.

I guess I meant the velrco patch on the uniform should be big enough to wear the bigger ones, like Clearance diver, PID, jump wings, aircrew etc.

Got ya from what I have been told what they're wearing is the interim model not the production model which is a different color. Perhaps the Velcro will be bigger? I think only one badge will be allowed to be worn not multiples.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Chief Stoker is almost right on question one:

The unit (not ship) badge is worn on the left. They wear the MARCOM badge because that is their unit (These are the Admiral and his Command CPO).

AS for  question 2, the Chief may not see a problem, but I, as an old ship's CO, do. In action, on the bridge with ten people running around equipment and station that are four feet high, facing partly away from me, wearing their anti flash gear and helmet, how the hell am I supposed to quickly find out if i'm looking at the OOW or just another seaman? Similarly, in the Ops room, looking over quickly towards, say, sea guard, if I can't see rank slip ons how am I to know if it's AB So-and-so or PO2 I-am-damn-good feeding me information? It matters to me.

As for badges, my understanding from the minutes is that the velcro will be different (Chief just beat me to it). However, we have never been allowed wear more than one Specialist Skill badge (at least in my days) on the Work dress/NCD. If you hold multiple qualifications, you wear the most relevant one to your job. So a Submariner who becomes a Clearance Diver will wear his clearance diver badge while so employed but can switch to submariner then she returns to service on submarine.
 

 

[Stoker]

Chief Stoker is almost right on question one:

The unit (not ship) badge is worn on the left. They wear the MARCOM badge because that is their unit (These are the Admiral and his Command CPO).

AS for  question 2, the Chief may not see a problem, but I, as an old ship's CO, do. In action, on the bridge with ten people running around equipment and station that are four feet high, facing partly away from me, wearing their anti flash gear and helmet, how the hell am I supposed to quickly find out if i'm looking at the OOW or just another seaman? Similarly, in the Ops room, looking over quickly towards, say, sea guard, if I can't see rank slip ons how am I to know if it's AB So-and-so or PO2 I-am-damn-good feeding me information? It matters to me.

As for badges, my understanding from the minutes is that the velcro will be different (Chief just beat me to it). However, we have never been allowed wear more than one Specialist Skill badge (at least in my days) on the Work dress/NCD. If you hold multiple qualifications, you wear the most relevant one to your job. So a Submariner who becomes a Clearance Diver will wear his clearance diver badge while so employed but can switch to submariner then she returns to service on submarine.

Doesn't bridge personnel often wear their rank, name or position on their helmets? The Royal Navy seems to have have a work around, I would imagine we will as well.

 

[winnipegoo7]

AS for  question 2, the Chief may not see a problem, but I, as an old ship's CO, do. In action, on the bridge with ten people running around equipment and station that are four feet high, facing partly away from me, wearing their anti flash gear and helmet, how the hell am I supposed to quickly find out if i'm looking at the OOW or just another seaman? Similarly, in the Ops room, looking over quickly towards, say, sea guard, if I can't see rank slip ons how am I to know if it's AB So-and-so or PO2 I-am-damn-good feeding me information? It matters to me.

Does the navy still wear flak vests on the bridge during action stations? If so, the flak vest would obscure the uniform's slip ons.