Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]

[Stoker]

Does the navy still wear flak vests on the bridge during action stations? If so, the flak vest would obscure the uniform's slip ons.

I think they do but really is it that hard to tell who's who. Doesn't the flak vest have a slip on as well?

 

[Nfld Sapper]

I think they do but really is it that hard to tell who's who. Doesn't the flak vest have a slip on as well?

Bosnia era OD Green ones do, but the GEN 3 Cadpat one doesn't

 

[Pusser]

We do wear multiple qualification badges in NCD and as far as I can remember, always have - even in the green work dress.  The senior badge goes above the "navy" strip and the second one goes below.

As for the rank badges, moving them to the shoulder would be an expensive design change.  The new NCD are identical in design to the Army combat clothing.  Mounting shoulder straps on NCD would negate the cost savings created by making army and navy combat clothing the same in all but colour/material.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

So there we have it;  cost is more important than practical function for SHTF scenarios.  At least we've said it now and can stop pretending requirements are more important than $.  8)

As for RCN specialist, qualification badges and the Velcro patch size for them on the new op dress;  wouldn't it make sense for the RCN to go to the same design the RCAF uses?  Regardless of the size of the DEU badge, our badges for operational clothing are all the same size, as shown in this website:  http://va3kgb.ve3kbr.com/forces/air_trade_badges.htm  [DEU badges are now Pearl Grey, of course, both aircrew and flight crew]

Aircrew (pilot, ACSO, SAR Tech, Flt Engr & AES OP) badges are all the same size as the qualification/specialty badges (Flt Sgn, Loadmaster, flight crew, etc) and we use a standard size patch on the left side for it.  This way we don't have to worry about 2 different Velcro and/or patch sizes and non-aircrew badges look professional as well, like the flight crew one in the pic.  *I'll also note that the new version of 265 came out when we had a Traffic Tech qual'd Loadmaster as the RCAF CWO.  Loadmasters are a specialty qual flight crew, not aircrew as Loadmaster isn't a trade.  So the new 265 has Loadmaster badges grouped incorrectly in the Aircrew and flight crew badge figures. 

 

[Sailorwest]

so all this is great but I've been holding off getting my serviceable, if somewhat faded, NCD jacket (version 1?) changed out pending a new uniform style for a few years.  When will the be available? I've seen CRCN and Chief wearing these for a while now so are these now on the way?

 

[NavyShooter]

I was at a meeting yesterday where the rollout was discussed (East Coast) and the timeline on this new uniform is supposedly 3 ish years.  Ish.

I know that is not the answer you're looking for.

I will suggest doing a search on the DIN for the RCN dress committee and coastal dress committee minutes.  Probably on the respective Base Chief's websites.

NS

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I was at a meeting yesterday where the rollout was discussed (East Coast) and the timeline on this new uniform is supposedly 3 ish years.  Ish.

3 years?  Then why are Mom and Dad wearing it already then?  Wait..."so the troops can get used to it"?  :

If it isn't going to be given to the rank and file for 3 years...those 2 should put it away until then.  In fact they shouldn't even be walking around in it with big shit-eating grins. 

Put it on a mannequin, let people see it that way like others have done (IIRC) like the new CANSOF DEUs.  I don't recall the SOF Comdr and CWO walking around in that in public, IIRC the first time it was in public eyes was the GG CofC ceremony.

 

[FSTO]

3 years?  Then why are Mom and Dad wearing it already then?  Wait..."so the troops can get used to it"?  :

If it isn't going to be given to the rank and file for 3 years...those 2 should put it away until then.  In fact they shouldn't even be walking around in it with big crap-eating grins. 

Put it on a mannequin, let people see it that way like others have done (IIRC) like the new CANSOF DEUs.  I don't recall the SOF Comdr and CWO walking around in that in public, IIRC the first time it was in public eyes was the GG CofC ceremony.

Short derailment here.

Why the **** did CANSOF decide to get separate uniforms? Are they not supposed to be incognito instead of walking around with the "Look at ME!!!!!!" sign hanging on them?

ahem.....now back to railing against the NASCAR look of NCD's being worn in offices in Ottawa.

 

[jollyjacktar]

They wear different combats too, multicam pattern.  I was on this parade in the photos.  I have to say, they looked splendid.

 

[dimsum]

Short derailment here.

Why the **** did CANSOF decide to get separate uniforms? Are they not supposed to be incognito instead of walking around with the "Look at ME!!!!!!" sign hanging on them?

ahem.....now back to railing against the NASCAR look of NCD's being worn in offices in Ottawa.

Well to be fair, the tan beret makes them stick out already.  Might as well go whole-hog.

 

[Kirkhill]

Also, I believe, CANSOF is neither Army, Navy or Air Force so "none of the above" applies wrt uniforms.

 

[Eagle_Eye_View]

CANSOFCOM is now its own element. Hence why the different DEU.

 

[Underway]

My question is that how many times does one need to assert that one works with the Naval Forces of Canada? Let us see the jacket. There is the anchor on the name tape, NAVY / MARINE tape with maple leaf in the middle, Naval Ensign (which design includes the Canadian flag) on the shoulder, Canadian flag on its own on the upper shoulder, and the word CANADA on both slip-ons.

Judging by the general public who still ask if I'm in the army, pilot, police, paramedic etc... when I wear my uniform, I suspect we need flashing LED lights and an autotext notification to their phone when they come within 2m of a sailor.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Judging by the general public who still ask if I'm in the army, pilot, police, paramedic etc... when I wear my uniform, I suspect we need  . . .

But don't the queries provide an excellent opportunity to interact with and educate the public about the navy.  It would go something like this"

-  Excuse me, but are you in the Army or are you a policeman or paramedic?  (alternatively:  Hey buddy, does the 72 bus go downtown from here?)

-  No sir (or ma'am), I am a sailor, an officer in the Royal Canadian Navy.  (alt: F**k off! Do I look like a bus driver!)

- Navy?  What are you doing here in B*mf**k, Alberta (or Rotten Crotch, Saskatchewan or . . .), there's no ocean near here, where's your ship?  (alt:  No, you look like a dick in that silly suit.)

-  Well, sir ma'am,  I'm assigned to a Reserve Naval Division here in B.F., it's HMCS Wiseass.  We are one of a number of "Stone Frigates" (the historically scatterbrained can launch into the history of the term) that are in cities throughout Canada.  Our mission is to generate trained individuals and teams for Canadian Forces operations, including: domestic safety operations as well as security and defense missions, while at the same time supporting the Navy's efforts in connecting with Canadians through the maintenance of a broad national presence.  Naval Reservists are individuals engaged in their civilian lives while pursuing a military career. They work for the Navy in the evenings, on weekends and during the summer period.  (alt:  Well, I don't get to choose what I wear as a uniform.  Someone else decided to put all these f**king stickers on it.)

-  Well, that's interesting, I never knew that.  Thank you for your service.  Can anyone join?  Were would I find more information about the Navy Reserve?  (alt:  Yeah, okay.  But do you know if the 72 bus goes downtown?)

-  Your welcome, it's our honour to serve.  Here's my business card.  If you call this number you can contact the recruiter for my unit and there is more info on the Canadian Forces and the Navy at the website indicated.  (alt:  How the fuck would I know the bus schedule, I only came out here for a cigarette since you're no longer allowed to smoke in or near the titty bar.)

-  Good bye, have a nice day.  (alt:  A**hole!)

- Good bye, you too.  (alt:  Civvy pr**k!)


Now wouldn't that be a wonderful opportunity to interconnect with Canadians.

 

[FSTO]

CANSOFCOM is now its own element. Hence why the different DEU.

So I know of 3 NWO (MARS) officers who went CANSOF and are now back in the RCN continuing their careers in the navy. So those guys now do a CT to CANSOF and then CT back? That seems like a bit of an administrative waste of time.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

So I know of 3 NWO (MARS) officers who went CANSOF and are now back in the RCN continuing their careers in the navy. So those guys now do a CT to CANSOF and then CT back? That seems like a bit of an administrative waste of time.

The C in CT is for Component, vice element.  ;D

 

[Good2Golf]

So I know of 3 NWO (MARS) officers who went CANSOF and are now back in the RCN continuing their careers in the navy. So those guys now do a CT to CANSOF and then CT back? That seems like a bit of an administrative waste of time.

Because they stayed in the NWO(MARS) occupation while serving within CANSOF.  Assaulters, special operators and CBRN operators are CANSOF-specific occupations that OT'd from previous occupations, and are the ones who wear the CANSOF DEU.

Regards
G2G

 

[dapaterson]

Assaulters are not yet an occupation; rather, they are a managed specialty.

 

[Good2Golf]

Assaulters are not yet an occupation; rather, they are a managed specialty.

My bad, I thought that would have been fully implemented by now, years and years after the effort began.  Perhaps in the next decade when the other files clear through CMP?

 

[Underway]

But don't the queries provide an excellent opportunity to interact with and educate the public about the navy.

I was being a bit sarcastic, but yes it does and normally I love talking to the public.  If I don't feel like talking I just generally point to the word NAVY and the anchor and let them figure it out.  (Oh you are in the Marines?  Very cool.  No ma'am that's french for the other word over here... NAVY....)