Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]

[dimsum]

I don't even see the space for a SSI so that people can immediately discount ideas based on the colour of a random patch.

It's definitely there.  She probably doesn't have the sea days for it yet.

 

[Furniture]

The anchor beside the name wasn't enough? Are we wearing operational uniforms for civilians to know who we are, or are we wearing them as operational attire designed not for fashion but function?

I'm actually surprised that the RCN didn't try to get the rank velcro changed from Canada to RCN. There definitely needs to be more flair on there. I don't even see the space for a SSI so that people can immediately discount ideas based on the colour of a random patch. Or maybe I'm just jealous I haven't qualified for my golden Tent Service Insignia (TSI) for consecutive days living in the field doing my job...

Says someone that wears an "army" uniform, and has likely never been misidentified as anything else.

EDIT: I've had an epiphany, lets get rid of attendance medals too! What does 1-12 months in Kandahar qualify you to opine on anyway? You're no better than anyone else, why does some ribbon and tin make you special?

The SSI simply tells the story of how many days one has spent at sea, the rank and the deportment tell the rest of the story. Perhaps the CAF should abandon all forms of identifier(rank and otherwise), and just assume that someone will know all they need to know by the cut of one's hair and the level of polish on ones boots(unless they are army, and have bought their own). If someone wants a prettier SSI, sail...

Just like earlier in this thread, the people that seem to take issue with the new badges, and uniform pattern are the people that will never wear it.

 

[Stoker]

Says someone that wears an "army" uniform, and has likely never been misidentified as anything else.

EDIT: I've had an epiphany, lets get rid of attendance medals too! What does 1-12 months in Kandahar qualify you to opine on anyway? You're no better than anyone else, why does some ribbon and tin make you special?

The SSI simply tells the story of how many days one has spent at sea, the rank and the deportment tell the rest of the story. Perhaps the CAF should abandon all forms of identifier(rank and otherwise), and just assume that someone will know all they need to know by the cut of one's hair and the level of polish on ones boots(unless they are army, and have bought their own). If someone wants a prettier SSI, sail...

Just like earlier in this thread, the people that seem to take issue with the new badges, and uniform pattern are the people that will never wear it.

Yes Puckchaser has been very critical of our new NCD's and before that the SSI. It must be jealousy like he said I guess. If you want a trip on HMCS SUMMERSIDE in Dec crossing the Atlantic to really see why we have an SSI that can be arranged.

 

[Journeyman]

It must be jealousy ...

If you want to talk jealousy, imagine CPO1 Vigneault...every day seeing that blank Velcro above his Navy/Marine badge -- not even an escargot fork badge, like that guy beside him. 



[ Yes, I know who 'that guy' is ]

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Quite right, Chief!

I have always found that if there is one element in the CAF that has no business commenting on every one else's bling, it's the Army - with its ten thousand badges telling the world every one they work for from the Division down to their platoon section, and every minor qualification they hold, not to mention indecipherable acronyms that are only clear to those in on the joke, etc. etc.  :nod:

Anyway, perhaps Army (or RCAF) people would be much less critical of the Navy's use of CANADA flashers on their uniform if they understood what it historically represents for us and the battle it was to gain a Canadian identity - which this flasher is a big part of. Wearing Canada flashers on our otherwise British looking uniforms and adorning our funnels with a originally green maple leaf were the two first actions taken by a young RCN as a demonstration of its independence from the rest of the empire's fleet. And those action were often fought tooth and nail by way too British senior officers of the RCN. It had to be fought as one recrimination (amongst many) of too much Britishness in various mutinies shortly after the war, with at least one Admiral saying that those flashers sullied the uniform's beauty and he rather have CANADA sown on his pants than ever wear them (as if it was his decision).

So yes, we like our CANADA flashers in the Navy. They are part of our identity. Period.

 

[PMedMoe]

PMedMoe, don’t mistake a slovenly, air force-sequel push halfway up the forearm with an ironed, creased, formal partial-roll of coolness... ;D

Cheers
G2G

Oops.  My bad.  :not-again:

 

[Stoker]

If you want to talk jealousy, imagine CPO1 Vigneault...every day seeing that blank Velcro above his Navy/Marine badge -- not even an escargot fork badge, like that guy beside him. 



[ Yes, I know who 'that guy' is ]

The "escargot fork badge" as you call it was on the old NCD's for years, its not a new thing.....and not a easy thing to qualify for BTW.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I don't know...is the SSI really any different from the trade badge and levels on the Army DEU?  RCAF trade badges don't change between QL3 and QL6...why does the Army feel to the need to use the crown and laurels "just because someone passed a course/did their job".  Or, how about the Marksmanship badges...you lucked out and shot some paper targets well one year.

:stirpot:

 

[Journeyman]

.....and not a easy thing to qualify for BTW.

Naval costuming is clearly out of my lane, so I'll back away.

But while you're Googling "humour,"  I'll just note that my basic dive course was run in February;  because we weren't Navy, we didn't 'earn' the right to wear gloves until the final day -- we suggested that the PO have sexual experience with himself.  When I went back for the Dive Supervisor course, it was much less anal.  All that to say, I'm quite aware of how many courses are inherently difficult.... and how many are simply made difficult due to penis size.




* Mind you, morning PT was actually motivational as we were all in better shape than the Clearance Diver LS "leading" the morning runs.  I still have happy memories of him having us run up and down hills or stairs while he had to catch his breath.  Simple pleasures.

 

[Nfld Sapper]

Naval costuming is clearly out of my lane, so I'll back away.

But while you're Googling "humour,"  I'll just note that my basic dive course was run in February;  because we weren't Navy, we didn't 'earn' the right to wear gloves until the final day -- we suggested that the PO have sexual experience with himself.  When I went back for the Dive Supervisor course, it was much less anal.  All that to say, I'm quite aware of how many courses are inherently difficult.... and how many are simply made difficult due to penis size.




* Mind you, morning PT was actually motivational as we were all in better shape than the Clearance Diver LS "leading" the morning runs.  I still have happy memories of him having us run up and down hills or stairs while he had to catch his breath.  Simple pleasures.

And you probably did it with a smoke in your mouth... :stirpot: ;D

 

[Eye In The Sky]

They can stay there as far as I'm concerned, no need to wear them in air conditioned offices ashore!

If the RCN can make that happen, maybe they'll avoid the issue the RCAF has with flying suits.  Despite the orders saying 'shall only be worn by those in a flying position', that doesn't happen and it certainly doesn't help it when anyone who 'just wants to' can put one on because they are in a senior position. 

It is especially grating when you and the people who work for you can't get flying suits for...you know...actual flying duties and you see others, who shouldn't be in the flight suit in the first place, wearing one "in the office".

But hey...you know, Dress Reg only apply to NCMs, Senior and Junior Officers I guess.  Meanwhile, aircrew who have tan flying suits issued to them are authorized to wear them now, on Wings because of the clusterfuck that has been happening with the flying suit contract (or lack of one)

#LeadByExample?

 

[Stoker]

Naval costuming is clearly out of my lane, so I'll back away.

But while you're Googling "humour,"  I'll just note that my basic dive course was run in February;  because we weren't Navy, we didn't 'earn' the right to wear gloves until the final day -- we suggested that the PO have sexual experience with himself.  When I went back for the Dive Supervisor course, it was much less anal.  All that to say, I'm quite aware of how many courses are inherently difficult.... and how many are simply made difficult due to penis size.




* Mind you, morning PT was actually motivational as we were all in better shape than the Clearance Diver LS "leading" the morning runs.  I still have happy memories of him having us run up and down hills or stairs while he had to catch his breath.  Simple pleasures.

Good for you and your experience doing your scuba course, builds character being gloveless in Feb. Nice anecdote about the LS Clearance diver as well.

 

[MARS]

  because we weren't Navy, we didn't 'earn' the right to wear gloves until the final day

Bah,  I just put my hands in my pockets.  Used to drive my Coxswain apoplectic.  ;D  It helped (me, that is) that I was the ship's CO...which made him even crazier.  It was indeed good to be king

 

[Halifax Tar]

Originally I didn't really like the new NCDs.  Having seen them around for a while know I have warmed up to them and look forward to wearing them.

IMHO the SSI is silly, it truly is a "I did the job I am paid for" badge.  Are some medals the same, yup 100%.  Either way neither is going away because of my personal feeling. 

Having said the above; and have having time both in the RCN and Army, I have come a couple of conclusions which I tell anyone if the ask what my thoughts are on both environments.  Never once in my time in Army or with the Army in AFG did I ever wake up and questions my life's choices; almost every day I wake up at sea I question my life's choices and where I went wrong. 

Journeyman, when did you do you dive course ?  And which dive course was it ?  There are a few different courses that are run at the FDU's.  Seeing as I just completed 2 years at FDU(A) I would be really interested to see the meat behind your anecdotally laced post.

 

[MARS]

Journeyman, when did you do you dive course ?  And which dive course was it ?  There are a few different courses that are run at the FDU's.  Seeing as I just completed 2 years at FDU(A) I would be really interested to see the meat behind your anecdotally laced post.

:rofl:
Knowing JM in real life, I would love nothing more than to see his response publicly posted on this board.  It would be, without a doubt,  the most epic thing I have read all year.  :nod:

Knowing JM in real life, I have no doubt that it will be handled via PM with the class and grace appropriate to someone of his experience.  :nod:

 

[Lumber]

If the RCN can make that happen, maybe they'll avoid the issue the RCAF has with flying suits.  Despite the orders saying 'shall only be worn by those in a flying position', that doesn't happen and it certainly doesn't help it when anyone who 'just wants to' can put one on because they are in a senior position. 

Wait what? You mean the 2Lt Pilot, pre-PFT, who was working as an admin clerk in my orderly room wasn't suppose to be wearing a flight suit?

 

[Halifax Tar]

:rofl:
Knowing JM in real life, I would love nothing more than to see his response publicly posted on this board.  It would be, without a doubt,  the most epic thing I have read all year.  :nod:

Knowing JM in real life, I have no doubt that it will be handled via PM with the class and grace appropriate to someone of his experience.  :nod:

Why ?  What exactly did I say that was so inflammatory ? 

 

[Eagle_Eye_View]

IMO if the RCN want to add patches, badges or whatever, I say good for them. If they can recruit more people because of it, even better. Some young kid will probably see the uniform and might be the trigger for joining the Navy. Who knows?

 

[MARS]

Why ?  What exactly did I say that was so inflammatory ?

Nothing at all inflammatory, HT.  ;D  Apologies that it sounded that way.  I am simply privy to 'some' of what I would consider to be JM's very storied career.  He is certainly too humble and professional to go into the details on this net, but I stand by my assertion that it is indeed 'epic'.

I will now retire from this thread.

 

[Good2Golf]

Bah,  I just put my hands in my pockets.  Used to drive my Coxswain apoplectic.  ;D  It helped (me, that is) that I was the ship's CO...which made him even crazier.  It was indeed good to be king

MARS, were you peeking at the RCAF’s “Touque, gloves, pockets” flowchart, by any chance? ;D