Naval Combat Dress (NCD) uniform [Merged]

[Halifax Tar]

Suspenders are the key to the NECUs.

Just like combats. Make your life comfortable.

I get weird looks until I let someone use of my spares...

 

[Navy_Pete]

There is a current unclas message out, from June this year, stating that:

"THE QUOTE LINER, JACKET, BUOYANCY AID UNQUOTE, NSN LISTED BELOW IN
PARA 5, COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS THE FLOATER JACKET FLEECE, HAS BEEN
TESTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH REF B, CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE AT REF C.
LINER, JACKET, BUOYANCY AID
CAN BE CONSIDERED A SECOND LAYER FOR THE PURPOSES OF ACTION DRESS AS
IDENTIFIED AT REF D SECTION
8.7.12 - DRESS REQUIREMENTS PARA 3"

It says later in the message that they are updating the dress regs to reflect it, and then the standard "this message will self-destruct in ...."

The link is here, but only works on the DWAN: http://msg-server.halifax.mil.ca/messages/all/2023/jun/2023163000228.html

What is Ref B?

As far as I know from talking to the folks responsible for the new uniform none of it was fire tested, and they just called up material standards (which is fine).

For ref this is the ASTM F1930 manneqin test the previous NCDs we done to, some years after entering service. That included old uniforms that had been returned after getting soaked in fuel, which were washed then used. They did fine.

 

[NavyHopeful]

What is Ref B?

As far as I know from talking to the folks responsible for the new uniform none of it was fire tested, and they just called up material standards (which is fine).

For ref this is the ASTM F1930 manneqin test the previous NCDs we done to, some years after entering service. That included old uniforms that had been returned after getting soaked in fuel, which were washed then used. They did fine.

Here's the REFs portion of the message:

SUBJ: DONNING OF FLOATER JACKET FLEECE DURING DAMAGE CONTROL EVENTS
REFS: A. MY 211830Z JAN 19 SUBJ: DONNING OF FLOATER JACKET FLEECE
DURING DC EVENTS
B. NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION (NFPA) 2112: STANDARD ON
FLAME-RESISTANT CLOTHING FOR PROTECTION OF INDUSTRIAL PERSONNEL
AGAINST SHORT-TERM DURATION EXPOSURES FROM FIRE
C. CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE DATED 22 DECEMBER 2017
D. SHIPS STANDING ORDERS (SSOS) AL 11

 

[JSoff]

My unit has told me I will be getting the NECU however I will have to order them from supply, which will take a few months to get.. it's a good thing I still have CADPAT otherwise i'd be in Civi's or S&P's.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Oh my.
I hope the RCN doesn’t get this white uniform fetish too… or is it too late?

 

[FSTO]

Oh my.
I hope the RCN doesn’t get this white uniform fetish too… or is it too late?

Nothing wrong with that.

I wear TWL's at Carling Campus daily. They are comfortable to wear in the office.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Nothing wrong with that.

I wear TWL's at Carling Campus daily. They are comfortable to wear in the office.

Really? You wear Mountbatten style dress like you’re in charge of the SOE school in Ceylon?

 

[CountDC]

Oh no, that is horrible. They should have learned from the army garrison dress how wonderful those belts are.

 

[FSTO]

Really? You wear Mountbatten style dress like you’re in charge of the SOE school in Ceylon?

No silly.
I wear the white shirt and pants.

But honestly the NECU is goddamn hot, even in the air conditioned offices of Carling. Or maybe I just run hotter than other people. The chief in charge of dress is coming up with an undershirt that will allow you to take off the outer shirt when it is warm out.

 

[CountDC]

you mean like the t-shirt we currently wear and strip to while in the hot office ?

 

[dapaterson]

you mean like the t-shirt we currently wear and strip to while in the hot office ?

No, no, we need to employ a CPO1 full time on button, bows and Tshirts.

 

[Underway]

you mean like the t-shirt we currently wear and strip to while in the hot office ?

I think he means a short sleaved "outer shirt" option so you can not die a horrible death in the sun. Or perhaps he means a breathable undershirt (not that there is much more breathable than cotton). I would prefer shorts honestly.... get them like the Aussies have.

 

[FSTO]

you mean like the t-shirt we currently wear and strip to while in the hot office ?

Similar, but your rank and maybe trade badge will be on it.

 

[FSTO]

No, no, we need to employ a CPO1 full time on button, bows and Tshirts.

It is a secondary responsibility, and I suspect you already know that.

 

[Furniture]

I think he means a short sleaved "outer shirt" option so you can not die a horrible death in the sun. Or perhaps he means a breathable undershirt (not that there is much more breathable than cotton). I would prefer shorts honestly.... get them like the Aussies have.

My understanding, from having partially overheard the conversation, is that the new shirt would be a "walking out dress" option that wasn't designed for shipboard emergencies.

Most of the CAFs "operational dress is for operations" foolishness could be solved by the elements coming up with q comfortable, affordable, and low maintenence service dress.

 

[dapaterson]

My understanding, from having partially overheard the conversation, is that the new shirt would be a "walking out dress" option that wasn't designed for shipboard emergencies.

Most of the CAFs "operational dress is for operations" foolishness could be solved by the elements coming up with q comfortable, affordable, and low maintenence service dress.

Operational dress needs fire protection. That isn't cheap.

But as long as people refuse to use an iron or show polish when in office jobs, we will wear out operational clothing ass first.

 

[Furniture]

Operational dress needs fire protection. That isn't cheap.

But as long as people refuse to use an iron or show polish when in office jobs, we will wear out operational clothing ass first.

Or, we could stop fighting human nature, and develop a comfortable, affordable, and low maintenence service dress for people to wear...

Pretending it has to be cheap shirts, uncomfortable shoes and wool pants, or expensive operational clothing is disingenuous. We could be a reasonable organization and find a cost effective uniform that people don't hate wearing.

 

[dapaterson]

Or, we could stop fighting human nature, and develop a comfortable, affordable, and low maintenence service dress for people to wear...

Pretending it has to be cheap shirts, uncomfortable shoes and wool pants, or expensive operational clothing is disingenuous. We could be a reasonable organization and find a cost effective uniform that people don't hate wearing.

Garrison dress?

 

[Furniture]

Garrison dress?

A perfect example of high maintenance, and uncomfortable.

 

[dapaterson]

A perfect example of high maintenance, and uncomfortable.

So...most sailors' first wives?