Tactical Armoured Patrol Vehicle - RG-31, LAV Coyote, and (partial) G-Wagon Replacement

[McG]

Range practice for the LAW and Carl G?

It’s prohibited to install used AFV as new targets now. Too many environmental contaminants.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

That's right! We run clean wars over here.

 

[markppcli]

It’s prohibited to install used AFV as new targets now. Too many environmental contaminants.

Oh course the M72, 84mm, and what ever other anti armour weapon ranges are otherwise pristine natural environments.

 

[McG]

Oh course the M72, 84mm, and what ever other anti armour weapon ranges are otherwise pristine natural environments.

Why needlessly aggravate a bad situation? Especially when a scrap vehicle is still more value that bespoke steel targets which are just as effective.

 

[medicineman]

It’s prohibited to install used AFV as new targets now. Too many environmental contaminants.

 

[KevinB]

Why needlessly aggravate a bad situation? Especially when a scrap vehicle is still more value that bespoke steel targets which are just as effective.

Useful 3D steel targets are generally going to cost more than used vehicles - as generally they are being scrapped as range targets as they have no intrinsic value left.

 

[markppcli]

Why needlessly aggravate a bad situation? Especially when a scrap vehicle is still more value that bespoke steel targets which are just as effective.

Well in my particular line of work theres value to seeing a similar target shape in a variety of istar platforms. Additionally afv targets simply last longer and the mothballed ones are destined to be scrapped anyways so its cost neutral frankly.

 

[McG]

Well in my particular line of work theres value to seeing a similar target shape in a variety of istar platforms.

Are you really optimally served looking at something that has been soaking at ambient temperatures for year with major internal components & many minor external components removed, so it no longer presents representative sensor characteristics? At this state, you can create a bespoke target that provides a comparable level of representation. We don't need full manikin targets to train marksmanship, and we don't need real AFV targets to train gunnery.

The best place to become familiar with looking at realistic AFV with realistic signature characteristics through a variety of ISTAR platforms under realistic field conditions is during force-on-force training where all the bits are present and heating/cooling cycles follow behaviors of expected use.

Additionally afv targets simply last longer and the mothballed ones are destined to be scrapped anyways so its cost neutral frankly.

And they are worth more as scrap than a bespoke target costs. They also contain various sorts of contaminants (even after having been cleaned & de-militarized), and have many more internal cavities to trap and hold UXO (so they are more dangerous when it is time to remove).